We’re back in the regular groove of Monday afternoon updates of The List! As always, make sure to read the notes as there are many changes that have good reasons behind them.
As always, these ranks are based on a 12-teamer, 5×5 roto format. Adjust accordingly to your situation.
Ranking Notes
- It’s come too soon. This is the final week of The List as we know as it as next week shifts to a full-on outline of expected rotations and schedules for the rest of the season. It will be massively flawed given the flurry of double-headers and postponements we’ve seen this yet, let alone callups, rotation changes, and injuries, but it’s more important to analyze strength of schedule at this juncture of the season
- To replace the weekly Livestream I do on Twitter as I craft The List, I’ll be doing a one-hour Livestream on Twitter answering all the questions you have. Tune in next week on September 8th at 1:00 pm EST and let’s talk baseball. You’re all super cool and it’s the least I can do for your support.
- Okay, okay, Jacob deGrom is now #1 on The List. Gerrit Cole just isn’t commanding his heater and slider consistently enough at the moment.
- I understand if you wanted Shane Bieber at the top of The List, but deGrom’s track record and overall dope-factor gives him the edge. Can the Mets please get him a Win though?
- Tier 2 is super long. Yes, Walker Buehler would be at #6 if he does return on Thursday, though he may be on a pitch count, so keep that in mind. Yu Darvish and Lucas Giolito each take leaps as they have been the Kings of Chicago as of late, while Jack Flaherty’s pitch count is back up to 85+ pitches and that should excite many of you.
- I wasn’t sure where to put Mike Clevinger as he makes his first start for San Diego later this week. It’s a full Tier 2 of high-quality arms and Clevinger may have a tough time climbing the ranks again. Let’s hope he earns it.
- Tier 3 gets hit hard with Clevinger, Flaherty, and Giolito all suddenly hitting Top 20, but not for Carlos Carrasco. He’s fresh off a 94 mph start with a filthy slider and I’m believing he’s back. Yessssss.
- Sadly, Patrick Corbin’s velocity sat 89 mph again. It’s frustrating and without a solid fastball, his slider takes a hit. He’s worth your time, just not as much as the other names.
- Staying in Tier 3, I imagine some wanted a larger drop for Aaron Civale. I believe his skill set with excellent cutters for strikes, a curveball with a 25% SwStr rate and 50%+ zone rate (absurd!), not to mention a sinker that earns called strikes all day. He’s had just two starts this season with slightly off command and I think he’s certainly worth your trust.
- Chris Paddack didn’t get the rise that some likely expected (his rank change is a product of others rising), and it’s rooted in his fastball approach – the pitch still isn’t jamming batters like 2019 and has instead sat away to left-handers and right-handers alike. He’s not quite back yet.
- It’s a small Tier 4 this week with arms that could climb the ladder quickly…or fall down next week. I believe Julio Urias can make the necessary tweaks to get back on track, Dylan Bundy’s impressive changeup nullifies a start where his slider was missing, and Sixto Sanchez is looking like a future ace. The only element missing from the resume is experience.
- Charlie Morton and Zach Plesac leave the fringe table as they return this week. Both are capable of being spotted in Tier 3 or above, and I wanted to see another start before giving them each a major jump. Keep in mind, Morton could be on a pitch count and still featuring depreciated velocity, while Plesac may not have the same command we saw earlier in the season.
- Tier 5 has a smattering of ratio-focused arms fighting to be the Spider-Man of the year and upside arms that haven’t quite turned the corner yet.
- I hope to feel more and more confident in Jordan Montgomery and Pablo Lopez in future weeks, though they each have to prove that their non-electric stuff is capable of pushing a 25% strikeout rate with ratios you care about.
- With Tier 6, we have a list of pitchers that should be owned in all leagues or come with a major scheduling wart that has me wondering if their ability is good enough to overcome the matchups. The latter label belongs to both German Marquez and Kevin Gausman and it makes for some tough decisions. Do you trust Marquez’s excellent breakers to overcome against the Dodgers in LA? How about Gausman’s fantastic BSB approach inside Coors tonight? They would be in the fifth tier or even higher if not for their rough situations.
- I cannot stress enough how much I’m on the Dakota Hudson bandwagon now. His improved breakers are allowing him to earn more strikes and not rely so heavily on sinkers to get the job done. His BABIP is certainly going to regress negatively, but his new arsenal makes him highly relevant in your 12-teamer.
- There are a ton of new names inside this tier as young arms are getting their opportunities. Tony Gonsolin has stepped in to seize Ross Stripling’s former spot in the rotation and he’s worth the start in almost all matchups. Ian Anderson holds a great floor with his three-pitch mix and should be trusted in most situations.
- Deivi Garcia may have a rotation spot the rest of the year for the Yankees and at the very least, gets a start this weekend against the Orioles in a double-header. Dane Dunning has looked strong for the Chicago White Sox with excellent breakers and an affinity for the BSB. And why not, keep applying the Vargas Rule to Framber Valdez.
- Let’s not ignore Tyler Mahle’s excellent performance over the weekend with the best slider I’ve seen from him all year (and likely all of 2019). This could very much work inside the Reds rotation for the rest of the year.
- Then there’s Sandy Alcantara who returned over the weekend for his first start recovering from COVID-19. He didn’t have his changeup, but I expect the pitch to return in future starts.
- Seth Lugo and Zach Eflin are the huge gainers in Tier 7 and let’s hope they pull off a fantastic September. Lugo is getting stretched out for the Mets and has a repertoire that could play well across 90+ pitches, while Eflin featured an improved curveball that would transform his ability if it sticks.
- It’s painful to see Frankie Montas fall this far, but there wasn’t much of a choice. His command has been lost for three straight starts and you have to wonder when it’ll return or if an injury is hiding underneath. Let’s hope he can get back on track right away.
- Tier 8 is the flier tier. Andrew Heaney and Matthew Boyd have each performed well in the short term, but who knows if that is here to stay. Boyd still doesn’t have his slider and is hyper reliant on his changeup, while Heaney’s curveball was unreal and unlikely to be as dominant in follow-up outings.
- Ross Stripling gets a new chance in Toronto and he’s been cured of #Dodgeritis. Still, there are problems inside that repertoire with an inconsistent changeup and a curveball that has struggled to earn whiffs.
- Tier 9 and 11 are each filled with Toby arms, with T9 coming with more secure arms than the latter. It’s tough to see Chris Bassitt fall this far, but his sinker is in desperate need for another pitch to help him earn outs. Until he finds it, he’s not as safe a bet as he used to be.
- Marco Gonzales has been cruising as of late and while I don’t expect his fastballs to perform this well, I understand applying the Vargas Rule until then. You can do the same from Adam Wainwright and Zach Davies if you like.
- Between the two Toby tiers is a sea of stash options. I don’t expect any of them to instantly reward trusting managers, but hey, it could happen. Casey Mize elected to avoid his cutter altogether in his last start – what I’d personally call his best offering. Anthony DeSclafani got rocked for yet another start, Griffin Canning did surprisingly well but who knows if he can repeat it, Robbie Ray may turn into a reliever in Toronto after his double-header start this week, and Garrett Richards threw nearly just fastballs in his last start. So much confusion here.
- It doesn’t end with the return of Michael Pineda, who makes his first start for the Twins today against the White Sox. He’s been the poster boy for Cherry Bombs everywhere and it’s hard to expect anything different today.
- The bottom of The List features many familiar names, though the fall of Brad Keller may be a major surprise. Despite his successful line Monday evening, I’m terrified to see 92 mph velocity and a breaking ball that was nothing like what got me excited in the first place. Proceed with caution.
- Returning to The List this week we have JA Happ, Danny Duffy, and Mike Fiers. Each can be decent on a given night but make sure to play the matchups wisely.
Pitcher | Reason |
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Justin Verlander | IL for weeks with an elbow injury. Would be Top 5. |
Stephen Strasburg | IL with hand injury. Would be Top 20. |
Corey Kluber | IL with a shoulder injury. Would be Top 25. |
Alex Wood | IL with shoulder inflammation. Would be Top 80. |
AJ Puk | IL with shoulder inflammation. Would be Top 50. |
Madison Bumgarner | IL with back injury. Would be Top 80. |
Joe Musgrove | IL with triceps injury. Would be Top 80. |
Mitch Keller | IL with side discomfort. Would be Top 70. |
Merrill Kelly | IL with blood clot surgery. May be out for the year. |
Homer Bailey | IL with biceps tendonitis. Would be Top 70. |
Carlos Rodon | IL with shoulder injury. Would be Top 90. |
Tyler Chatwood | IL with elbow discomfort. Would be Top 90. |
James Paxton | IL with forearm tightness. Would be Top 40 |
David Peterson | IL with shoulder stiffness. Would be Top 80. |
Matt Shoemaker | IL with shoulder inflammation. Would be Top 80. |
Nate Pearson | IL with elbow discomfort. Would be Top 70. |
Jake Odorizzi | IL with bruised ribs. Would be Top 70. |
Nathan Eovaldi | IL with calf strain. Would be Top 90. |
Walker Buehler | IL with Blister. He’s the #6 SP if he returns on Thursday. |
Yonny Chirinos | Out for season with TJS. |
Mike Soroka | Out for season with Achilles tear. |
Shohei Ohtani | Out for season as SP with forearm injury. |
Carlos Martinez | COVID-IL, could return this week. Would be Top 70. |
Caleb Smith | COVID-IL, could return this week. Would be Top 70. |
Brendan McKay | Unclear if the Rays will use and how he would perform if called up. |
Mike Foltynewicz | DFA’d by Braves, diminished velocity and unclear how he rebounds. |
Jordan Lyles | Close, not quite in rhythm yet. |
Cole Hamels | He’s hurt. Again. |
Reynaldo Lopez | Too volatile and too soon back from the IL |
Jake Arrieta | One of the final cuts. Just not enough production. |
Austin Voth | Diminished velocity and few whiffs = too much risk right now. |
Michael Fulmer | Not getting enough innings and doesn’t look great |
Steven Matz | Delegated to bullpen |
Freddy Peralta | Unclear role in Milwaukee + not showcasing ceiling |
Josh James | Delegated to bullpen |
Joey Lucchesi | Optioned to alternate training site. |
MacKenzie Gore | Stash option, will add when in MLB – ~Top 70 for now |
Trevor Rogers | I considered Rogers, but I want one more start first. |
Tanner Roark | Backend Toby, one of the last cut |
Jon Lester | Backend Toby, one of the last cut |
Anibal Sanchez | Backend Toby, one of the last cut |
Wade LeBlanc | Backend Toby, one of the last cut |
Kris Bubic | Backend Toby, one of the last cut |
Alec Mills | Backend Toby, one of the last cut |
Martin Perez | Backend Toby, one of the last cut |
Tyler Anderson | Backend Toby, one of the last cut |
Patrick Sandoval | Backend Toby, one of the last cut |
Alex Cobb | Backend Toby, one of the last cut |
Asher Wojciechowski | Backend Toby, one of the last cut |
Brandon Bielak | Backend Toby, one of the last cut |
Logan Webb | Backend Toby, one of the last cut |
All right, now that the notes are at the top and you understand where I’m coming from, let’s get to The List:
Rank | Pitcher | Badges | Change |
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1 | Jacob deGromT1 | Aces Gonna Ace Strikeout Upside Quality Starts | +2 |
2 | Shane Bieber | Aces Gonna Ace Strikeout Upside Quality Starts | - |
3 | Gerrit Cole | Aces Gonna Ace Strikeout Upside Quality Starts | -2 |
4 | Max ScherzerT2 | Aces Gonna Ace Strikeout Upside Quality Starts | +1 |
5 | Yu Darvish | Aces Gonna Ace Strikeout Upside Quality Starts | +4 |
6 | Sonny Gray | Aces Gonna Ace Strikeout Upside Quality Starts | - |
7 | Trevor Bauer | Aces Gonna Ace Strikeout Upside Quality Starts Cherry Bomb | - |
8 | Aaron Nola | Aces Gonna Ace Strikeout Upside Quality Starts | - |
9 | Clayton Kershaw | Aces Gonna Ace Strikeout Upside Quality Starts | +1 |
10 | Lance Lynn | Aces Gonna Ace Strikeout Upside Quality Starts | +1 |
11 | Kenta Maeda | Aces Gonna Ace Strikeout Upside Quality Starts | +2 |
12 | Zac Gallen | Aces Gonna Ace Strikeout Upside Quality Starts | +2 |
13 | Lucas Giolito | Aces Gonna Ace Strikeout Upside Quality Starts | +11 |
14 | Luis Castillo | Aces Gonna Ace Strikeout Upside Quality Starts | -2 |
15 | Blake Snell | Aces Gonna Ace Injury Risk Strikeout Upside | - |
16 | Tyler Glasnow | Aces Gonna Ace Strikeout Upside Low Ips | +3 |
17 | Mike Clevinger | Aces Gonna Ace Strikeout Upside Quality Starts | +UR |
18 | Jack Flaherty | Aces Gonna Ace Strikeout Upside Quality Starts | +8 |
19 | Dinelson LametT3 | Aces Gonna Ace Strikeout Upside | -3 |
20 | Jesús Luzardo | Aces Gonna Ace Strikeout Upside | -2 |
21 | Aaron Civale | Aces Gonna Ace Strikeout Upside Quality Starts Ratio Focused | -4 |
22 | Carlos Carrasco | Aces Gonna Ace Strikeout Upside Quality Starts | +8 |
23 | Chris Paddack | Aces Gonna Ace Strikeout Upside Quality Starts | -3 |
24 | Zack Wheeler | Strikeout Upside Quality Starts | +3 |
25 | Zack Greinke | Aces Gonna Ace Quality Starts | +3 |
26 | Max Fried | Ace Potential Strikeout Upside | -1 |
27 | Patrick Corbin | Aces Gonna Ace Strikeout Upside Quality Starts | -6 |
28 | Brandon Woodruff | Ace Potential Injury Risk Strikeout Upside Quality Starts | -6 |
29 | Julio UríasT4 | Ace Potential Strikeout Upside Quality Starts | -6 |
30 | Charlie Morton | Aces Gonna Ace Injury Risk | +UR |
31 | Dylan Bundy | Ace Potential Strikeout Upside Cherry Bomb | -2 |
32 | Sixto Sánchez | Ace Potential Strikeout Upside | +11 |
33 | Zach Plesac | Ace Potential Strikeout Upside Quality Starts | +UR |
34 | Lance McCullers Jr.T5 | Ace Potential Injury Risk Strikeout Upside Low Ips | - |
35 | José Berríos | Ace Potential Strikeout Upside Quality Starts | -2 |
36 | Hyun Jin Ryu | Ace Potential Injury Risk Quality Starts Ratio Focused | -1 |
37 | Jordan Montgomery | Ace Potential Strikeout Upside Streaming Option Stash Option | +3 |
38 | Pablo López | Ace Potential Strikeout Upside Cherry Bomb Streaming Option | +3 |
39 | Kyle Hendricks | Ace Potential Quality Starts Ratio Focused | -3 |
40 | Dustin May | Low Ips Ratio Focused | -3 |
41 | Randy Dobnak | Quality Starts Toby Ratio Focused | -3 |
42 | Dallas Keuchel | Toby Ratio Focused | -3 |
43 | Corbin Burnes | Ace Potential Strikeout Upside Low Ips Cherry Bomb Streaming Option | +1 |
44 | Triston McKenzieT6 | Ace Potential Strikeout Upside | +1 |
45 | Masahiro Tanaka | Injury Risk Strikeout Upside Cherry Bomb Ratio Focused | +2 |
46 | Dakota Hudson | Toby Streaming Option | +12 |
47 | Ian Anderson | Ace Potential Strikeout Upside Ratio Focused | +UR |
48 | Sandy Alcantara | Ace Potential Strikeout Upside Quality Starts | +UR |
49 | Framber Valdez | Strikeout Upside Cherry Bomb Streaming Option | +10 |
50 | Tony Gonsolin | Strikeout Upside Ratio Focused | +UR |
51 | Kevin Gausman | Ace Potential Quality Starts Toby Ratio Focused Streaming Option | -5 |
52 | Elieser Hernández | Strikeout Upside Low Ips Cherry Bomb Streaming Option | -2 |
53 | Germán Márquez | Ace Potential Strikeout Upside Cherry Bomb | -22 |
54 | Tyler Mahle | Strikeout Upside Streaming Option | +19 |
55 | Dane Dunning | Ace Potential Strikeout Upside Cherry Bomb | +UR |
56 | Deivi García | Ace Potential Strikeout Upside | +UR |
57 | Seth LugoT7 | Ace Potential Strikeout Upside Low Ips | +UR |
58 | Dylan Cease | Ace Potential Strikeout Upside Low Ips Cherry Bomb | -9 |
59 | Frankie Montas | Ace Potential Strikeout Upside Quality Starts | -27 |
60 | John Means | Ace Potential Strikeout Upside Quality Starts | +7 |
61 | Zach Eflin | Toby Streaming Option | +32 |
62 | Adrian Houser | Strikeout Upside Streaming Option | -11 |
63 | Yusei Kikuchi | Ace Potential Strikeout Upside Cherry Bomb Toby Streaming Option | -7 |
64 | Cristian Javier | Strikeout Upside Low Ips Cherry Bomb | -9 |
65 | Andrew HeaneyT8 | Ace Potential Injury Risk Strikeout Upside Cherry Bomb | -1 |
66 | Matthew Boyd | Ace Potential Strikeout Upside Cherry Bomb | -1 |
67 | Ross Stripling | Ace Potential Strikeout Upside Cherry Bomb | +11 |
68 | Spencer Turnbull | Ace Potential Strikeout Upside Cherry Bomb Streaming Option | -5 |
69 | Rich Hill | Injury Risk Strikeout Upside Low Ips Cherry Bomb | +1 |
70 | Sean ManaeaT9 | Injury Risk Ratio Focused | -16 |
71 | Chris Bassitt | Strikeout Upside Toby Ratio Focused Streaming Option | -23 |
72 | Chad Kuhl | Ace Potential Injury Risk Strikeout Upside Low Ips Cherry Bomb | -12 |
73 | Zach Davies | Toby Streaming Option | +12 |
74 | Mike Minor | Ace Potential Quality Starts Ratio Focused | +3 |
75 | Marco Gonzales | Toby Streaming Option | +25 |
76 | Adam Wainwright | Toby Streaming Option | +11 |
77 | Kwang Hyun Kim | Toby Streaming Option | +12 |
78 | Taijuan Walker | Toby Streaming Option | +5 |
79 | Spencer HowardT10 | Ace Potential Strikeout Upside Stash Option | - |
80 | Casey Mize | Ace Potential Strikeout Upside Stash Option | -38 |
81 | Griffin Canning | Ace Potential Injury Risk Cherry Bomb | -5 |
82 | Michael Pineda | Strikeout Upside Cherry Bomb Streaming Option | +UR |
83 | Anthony DeSclafani | Strikeout Upside Toby | -30 |
84 | Luke Weaver | Ace Potential Strikeout Upside Quality Starts Cherry Bomb Ratio Focused | -23 |
85 | Robbie Ray | Ace Potential Injury Risk Strikeout Upside Low Ips Cherry Bomb | -19 |
86 | Tarik Skubal | Ace Potential Strikeout Upside Low Ips Cherry Bomb | -18 |
87 | Jon Gray | Strikeout Upside Cherry Bomb | -16 |
88 | Garrett Richards | Ace Potential Injury Risk Strikeout Upside Cherry Bomb Streaming Option | -26 |
89 | J.A. HappT11 | Toby Streaming Option | +UR |
90 | Josh Lindblom | Strikeout Upside Cherry Bomb Streaming Option | -21 |
91 | Danny Duffy | Toby Streaming Option | +UR |
92 | Alex Young | Toby Streaming Option | -12 |
93 | Brad Keller | Toby Streaming Option | -36 |
94 | Brady Singer | Strikeout Upside Quality Starts Ratio Focused Streaming Option | -10 |
95 | JT Brubaker | Toby Streaming Option | -7 |
96 | Kyle Freeland | Cherry Bomb Toby Ratio Focused Streaming Option | -24 |
97 | Johnny Cueto | Toby Ratio Focused Streaming Option | +1 |
98 | Justus Sheffield | Strikeout Upside Cherry Bomb Streaming Option | -17 |
99 | Ryan Castellani | Strikeout Upside Cherry Bomb Streaming Option | -9 |
100 | Mike Fiers | Toby Streaming Option | +UR |
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Great work as always, Nick.
Really harsh drop on Brad Keller, he wasn’t that bad on Monday, was he?
Any thoughts on Clarke Schmidt?
Do you think John Means is a good hold in a 16 team dynasty? Pitching is thin in this league
Is Triston McKenzie stretching his arm out in hopes of throwing more innings? He has a low ip his first two starts.
Sixto at #32 already? What do you think his ceiling will be for 2020? Should I be all in right now? Buying up S. Sanchez, Plesac, and Ian Anderson in that order where I can find them.
Looking at #57 Seth Lugo. I really like him as an SP or closer role but, makes me wonder if the Mets have any idea about what they are doing with their staff. I know they are desperate to finish in the money with the expanded playoff but why on earth didn’t they do this when Thor went down? I know they had no clue that Stroman get injured and later opt out but there needs to be some accountability in NY for some of their terrible decisions. This team has too much talent. I watched one of their games against the Marlins where they melted down in defeat. The Marlins players were laughing at them in the dugout. Tough to watch.
Mike Clevinger at 17??? Max Fried at 26 BEHIND Chris Paddack and Carlos Carrasco?? Cmon guys, don’t overthink the list. I love this site, and I’ve been on here for a few years now, I’m not new to this. These ranks though are a shade on the not making any sense side right not for me.
Yeah List has really gone off the rails lately…I mean look at Valdez too. Every metric is in tune with that but he keeps getting the “Vargas Rule”??
Hey Greg!
It would be super easy for me to raise Framber up and call it a day. Thing is, I don’t believe his sinker is anything but mediocre and I don’t believe his curveball will hold a .113 BAA through the year.
Pretty nuts it’s a sub 20% FB rate and just a 0.47 HR/9. Even with SIERA sitting under 3.30, I don’t think that’s what we’ll see the rest of the way. His repertoire just isn’t enough for me to believe.
Hey man!
No hard feelings whatsoever, I imagine you know by now that I’m down to discuss our differences if you are!
Fried had a super weird start last time out – his slider was terrible – 0/10 CSW – and needed to throw 37% curveballs to eek out a start. It’s kinda the story of Fried as he hasn’t shown the ability to be a true overwhelming ace from start to start.
Clevinger was a consensus Top 10 SP before the start of the year and he’s barely thrown this season. The skill set is still the same and he could cruise in San Diego.
Carrasco’s velocity is back up to its highest of the season + his slider is back. I’m a fan of that and I think he’s returned to being super consistent down the stretch.
Paddack, I understand more about and could have put Fried above him. He’s looked better as of late, but he still has to get his fastball inside to batters more often.
I like Clevinger and no doubt he will move back up the list as the season progresses. Three things to keep in mind looking at Clev and his current spot on the list. 1) Some inconsistency coming back from his knee injury has created some up and down outings. Not sure if he has produced a dominate outing we were familiar with last year. Top K game in 4 starts produced 6 punch outs. 2) Long lay off in Cleveland from the designation to the alternate training site. Probably did not help his psyche. 3) In the long run, the move to the Padres should help him moving forward but is still another change and adjustment to make to a new environment.
If Gonsolin or Deivi Garcia had assured playing time, would you rank either above McCullers or Montgomery? Thanks!
Pick 2
– Chris Paddack
– Zach Plesac
– Pablo Lopez
– Aaron Civale
If going by rankings it’s going to be Civale and Paddack, but I’m concerned both of them are overrated right now and baseballsavant backs that up with their profiles of all 4.
I’m leaning towards Plesac and Lopez or maybe Paddack but I’m not confident in that decision and I need convinced.
Would love to know what’s really wrong w Castillo?
Is he attacking too much at the heart of the strike zone?
And not enough high/inside…low/outside?
Is his stuff lacking movement?
Bad luck?
So frustrating that he can’t figure it out
Check out that .379 Babip, my friend, and that 65.5% strand rate, and there is your answer. Might be a few to many walks as well, but by most metrics, he is still pitching like a top 20 SP
https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2020&month=0&season1=2020&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2020-01-01&enddate=2020-12-31&sort=12,d
Randy Dobnak has 1 QS this year, and 2 total for entire career. Why does he have the QS logo? Seems like a Low IPS guy looking at all his starts.
Margevicius!
the disrespect to greinke and fried…yikes. nick, would love to hear your case for why they’re #25 and 26?